P M Estates
Bishops Stortford, CM23
1/5, 4 reviews
0% recommended
0% lettings valuation accuracy
0% lettings fee satisfaction



Property Features


“I was initially happy with this agency, until......”

Share on :
Dec 07,2019
Minithumbdown
By: 'Lorenzo'
Dec 07,2019
2 people found
this helpful
I was initially happy with this agency, until the following happened.
After one and half a year of renting a flat, I was told I that the landlord intended to sell the property, and my short term contract could not be renewed. I was actually asked if we could agree on me leaving at some time. To be honest, I was not given an exact time frame, but I could feel the urgency building. PM Estates was also eager to suggest me alternative places where to go. It is their business after all. So, I organised all, and, in a couple of months or so, I found another place. I have always paid my monthly rent in advance, so when I moved and checked out the flat (2019 November 2nd), I had a few days of excess rent to be refunded (up to November 6th included).
And so I left.
After 10 days or so, PM Estates wrote me, saying that they would charge me (withdrawing them from the deposit) 150 £ for 'professional cleaning', £ 25 for repairs, and 101.10 £ of outstanding rent...
Not only that (drum roll please...)... The property was back on the rent market AGAIN (I took pictures of the advertisement on rightmove website)!!!

The repair, I kind of agree - it was for a detached panel that was there from the beginning, but I did not take a picture of it, so I cannot prove it.
The £ 150 for cleaning is simply ridiculous, as my wife and me spent a lot of effort in cleaning everything. I was actually told by the PM employee that the apartment was 'immaculate' and 'probably in better condition than when received'. But then - AFTER I left - they took pictures of some dust in a corner (behind the bathroom's sink!) or traces of limescale in the inner window of the washing machine, and sent them as proof of need of 'professional cleaning'. In the contract only repair or replacement of broken items are clearly indicated as payable - cleaning no.

But the most ridiculous thing is the outstanding rent... .that is MY money, having paid a full month rent in advance, but having left earlier. And are in my credit, not debit!
If I had not noticed (and I was lucky, as I argue that some people might notice until when it is too late), nobody would have done anything and they would have just taken the money. When I pointed this out, they just said: 'It is always worth to double check'.
I would say triple check, because they removed the 101.10 £ from the total due.... but they still did not tell me WHEN or HOW they would give me the refund.
Now, it has been more than two weeks since I last wrote them about this, also giving them my bank account information (which they should have already in any case, since I have been paying them the rent since the last 1.5 years...), but I have not received my money back, nor the deposit refund amount has been amended to exclude the 'cleaning'.

So, I am extremely disappointed by the way this situation has been managed. I have not received, not only a single line of excuses, but not communication AT ALL, apart for their claims for money. And I still have to have my money back.
I will NEVER EVER use their services again.
Was this helpful? Yes
By: Lorenzo Perugini
Dec 16, 2019
Dear PM Estates,
thank you for taking the time to comment my review.
Let me point out that I have received no communication AT ALL after the communication of my bank account information on November 21st for the rent over-payment refund, AND my visit to your offices a week later (Friday November 29th), demanding information about WHEN and BY WHAT MEANS I should have expected the payment. I explicitly stated that I wanted a reply, or I would have started complaining officially. Therefore on December 7th, one further week later, having not received any communication AT ALL, I decided to write another letter to you and the present review.
I appreciate that after that, the refund has been swift and immediate the next Monday December 9th.

This has nothing to do with "understanding the residential Sales and lettings market within the UK". This is about customer care.
I am not implying by any means that something unlawful was done to me, but I want to state clearly how unsatisfactory your service has been in the end. After all, in my opinion, this is what reviews are all about.

Here are the facts. On July 24th 2019 I receive an email from PM estates asking if I would like to renew the contract (set to expire by September 6th).
I then visited your offices directly to discuss renewal. I did not receive any statement about property being on sale at that time. In fact I was advised to reply by email with my renewal intentions, which I did on August 3rd.
No having received a reply in a few days, I decided to visit your offices again. At this time I was made aware for the first time that my contract would not be renewed, due to the property being put on sale. And I was advised to look for a new property where to move.
I appreciate that during the month of August and in early September PM Estates has tried to find for me an alternative location. Unfortunately (this is neither PM Estates fault nor mine) none of the properties matched my requirements.
On the other hand, I was reminded every time that if I could leave sooner rather than later, it would be appreciated. I have no complaints about this, as I always try to do my best to cause the less possible inconvenience.
So far, I did not have anything to complain about.

Then there was a curious event. I am certain that there is no connection, but surely was a sort of shocking coincidence.
In mid September I received a letter (dated September 13th) from my home telephone and broadband provider, asking to confirm a transfer of service (I had just renewed the contract on August 20th...). At the same time a 'welcome package' from SkyTV arrived in my mailbox, addressed to the correct property, but to a different person.
I immediately called the provider, confirming that I was not moving (not yet at least), and brought the parcel to your offices for your attention, sharing my concerns. It has certainly been a mistake, but you should have noticed how I was a surprised by the coincidence.

I decided then to hasten my efforts in search of an alternative place.
As you certainly know better than me, due to the particular conditions of the residential sales and lettings market within the UK, once a suitable property has been identified, it is better not to wait too much time before reserving it. Otherwise it is likely that it will be taken by someone else, especially in this area.
Therefore, after finding a suitable place, between September 22nd and 24th I submitted the application for the new apartment.
On the 24th I promptly received from PM Estates an email with "the Energy Performance Certificate" (which you had given me already from the start of the tenancy) and a bundle of "How to Rent Guides" for "my records", and, the following day, the confirmation of the Landlord referencing completion.
On the 26th PM Estates sent me a formal Section 21 Notice, asking to vacate the apartment within 2 months; to which I replied with my intention of vacating even earlier, on November 6th (end of a one month period).
So far, everybody happy.

In the second half of October I realize that I can vacate the apartment even earlier, so I agreed with you (your email of October 31st) the check out date on Saturday 2nd November at 3pm.

Here starts the painful part.
On November 14th (Thursday) I receive the check out report, with the wrong assignment of £101.10 in my debit as Outstanding Rent. Please note that you also attached a pdf summary of my payments and amounts due, clearly showing that the balance was in my credit.
I immediately notified the mistake by email the same day.
I did already make some comments about the other fees being charged, but - being a reasonable person - I concluded my email writing: "In conclusion, I kindly request that you please send me a revised note, at least considering the correct calculation for the 'outstanding rent'. "
I did receive a reply on the 15th (Friday), stating that I should receive a confirmation email, after checking with the accounts department.
On Monday 18th I also visited your offices to talk in person, to make sure that everything was clear. The mistake had been confirmed by the accounts, but when I pointed out that such mistakes should not be made, I got back the comment "it is always worth double checking". I would rather have expected an apology, instead.

However, on the 19th (Tuesday), instead of a revised communication from PM Estates, I received a notice directly from DPS (Deposit Protection Service), which included the deductions for cleaning and repairs in full, but no trace of my 101.10 GBP credit.
Should it have been discounted form the deposit deductions? Should I receive a separate payment? If so, how and when? Who knows?
I sent an email with this request the very same day.
In the meantime, the same day, I also found out that the property had been put for rent on the market again.
So the next day (Wednesday 20th) I went to your office again, to both ask about the refund in person, and about the property being out for rent again.
I was surprised more than upset, and genuinely curious. It would have been a good time to receive a proper explanation. Instead, the reply I received was: "I have to check with the Landlord". Really?
At least, on the 21st (Thursday), I received your request for my bank account details (which you should already have had), to which I promptly replied, explicitly asking to be contacted when the payment was to be processed.

Since then, as stated above, no communication AT ALL. I waited one more week (November 29th), before going again to your office, demanding - this time yes, I was upset - for a clear date forecast for the refund payment, clearly stating that if I had not received a reply quickly (not the payment; a REPLY would have been sufficient), I would have started a serious complaint, including challenging the deposit deductions and writing reviews such as this.
I also asked again about the property being on the market again, and at least finally I received some timid mention of the failed sale. But no apologies still.

Eventually I regretfully found out that I had not been taken seriously. So, on Saturday December 7th (one further week later), having again not received any reply back, I wrote this review, notifying you at the same time that I was keeping faith to my words.

Although I usually don't like writing bad reviews, this time I don't regret it, as eventually it has resulted in my refund being processed swiftly, finally.
As for my acceptance of the deductions, please consider this fact more as a means of settling and concluding as quickly as possible a situation which I still consider outrageous.

I hope that PM Estates will take this as a learning opportunity for the benefit of your future valued customers.
Kindest regards
By: PM Estates
Dec 16, 2019
Lorenzo thank you for confirming you were initially happy with the service provided by PM Estates before you took up occupation and during your tenancy.
It has been noted that you have stated you have received “….not communication AT ALL..” which is incorrect. We have replied to you on numerous occasions but unfortunately with information that you were unhappy with. Your rental overpayment has been returned and you personally agreed to the cleaning deductions via the deposit scheme. Therefore, agreeing the fact that you left the property in a condition that required professional cleaning as it was presented to you when you took up occupation.
Lorenzo as previously explained to you and your acknowledgement of not understanding the residential Sales and lettings market within the UK. Your previous Landlord simply instructed us to sell your previous rental property. You were not forced out, we offered you first refusal to purchase the property, but you confirmed that you were not in a position to purchase, therefore we tried to find you alternative residential properties that fitted your criteria. You accepted the notice received and found yourself an alternative residential property to rent, which was obviously your prerogative. We updated you throughout the process, but you appear disgruntled that the property was put back on the rental market, even though we explained to you that the sale fell through whereby the previous purchaser pulled out from the purchase. Unfortunately, due to the legal system sales / purchases sometimes do not complete, which is very unfortunate.
We have read through various communications with yourself and note that you have been very frustrated. We have also noted that you were upset as you had to leave the above property due to the Landlord instructing us to sell the property. We are sorry that you felt the need to write this review but we have to point out your content is incorrect and we have indeed communicated with you furthermore as previously stated you agreed the cleaning deductions from your deposit so we cannot understand your comments made. Also, we have communication from you regarding the refund of your overpayment of rent, which has been transferred to you. The comment that you made regarding the fact that we would have taken your money is 100% incorrect and not factual at all. In fact our accounts department pointed out to you initially that you were due a refund as you did not pay a pro rata rent you simply paid a full month’s rent, even though you found yourself a replacement rental property and gave the landlord notice to vacate.

Lorenzo we fully appreciate that residential law in the UK is very complex and at time frustrating. We sympathise with you and agree moving home can sometimes be stressful but your comments in your review are inaccurate, therefore we felt the need to document this. We are always looking at ways to improve and we appreciate your comments, even if they are not 100% true. We would like to wish you well for the future and as previously stated in previous email correspondence our door is always open if you wish to attend the office and discuss matters further.

Agent Response / Add a Comment

You can use this form to reply to the above review or a displayed comment on the above review.




Note: Your comment will not be activated until you click on the link in an email sent to your address as submitted in the form above. By clicking on Submit Comment you agree to receive an activation email from allAgents.


Opening Hours
Address

P M Estates
7 Riverside Walk South Street
Bishops Stortford
Essex
CM23 3AG
01279 654646

Performance statistics
Services Valuation Accuracy Fees Satisfaction Min Price of property reviewed Max Price of property reviewed
Lettings 0% 0% £1,500 £1,500
Review statistics
From Landlords From Tenants From Vendors From Buyers Other
0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0
Areas covered
Services offered
  • Sales
  • Lettings
  • Block Management
  • Surveys
  • Conveyancing
  • Mortgage Advice
  • Home Builder
Members of
NAEA ARLA TPOS Lettings
Latest Properties

No Properties

“Awful Experience...”

Share on :
Sep 06,2021
Minithumbdown
Will
By: 'TheyKnowWhoIam'
Sep 06,2021
4 people found
this helpful
Only placing 1 star as I cant do lower. The level of greed, pettyness and un-shameful attempts at charging more money is quite breathtaking. The only time they pay attention to you is when they are trying to make the sale/ let out the property. After ...
read full review
Was this helpful? Yes

“Absolute scumbags...”

Share on :
May 14,2021
Minithumbdown
By: 'Angrytenant'
May 14,2021
3 people found
this helpful
They are the biggest liars and scumbags of the earth and will do eveything they can to charge you hidden and illegal fees and claim that they have nothing to do with it. If you wish to switch to a periodic tenancy after the first ...
read full review
Was this helpful? Yes
By: Letdownneighbour
Jun 23, 2022
View all comments (1)
Cannot agree more. These people are all about greed. They have a very questionable moral compass ...

“I was initially happy with this agency, until......”

Share on :
Dec 07,2019
Minithumbdown
By: 'Lorenzo'
Dec 07,2019
2 people found
this helpful
I was initially happy with this agency, until the following happened. After one and half a year of renting a flat, I was told I that the landlord intended to sell the property, and my short term contract could not be renewed. I was actually ...
read full review
Was this helpful? Yes
By: Lorenzo Perugini
Dec 16, 2019
View all comments (2)
Dear PM Estates, thank you for taking the time to comment my review. Let me point out that I have received no communication AT ALL after the communication of my bank account information on November 21st for the rent over-payment refund, AND my visit to your offices a week later (Friday November 29th), demanding information about WHEN and BY WHAT MEANS I should have expected the payment. I explicitly stated that I wanted a reply, or I would have started complaining officially. Therefore on Dece ...

“PM Estates Bishops Stortford are terrible...”

Share on :
Oct 09,2019
Minithumbdown
Tracy
By: 'John'
Oct 09,2019
2 people found
this helpful
Absolutely terrible company to deal with, they have continued to ignore all communication but always willing to put their side across. Stay well away from these liars cheats and outright fraudsters....
read full review
Was this helpful? Yes
No fees information available
Kindly note that legally, letting agents need to publish information about their tenancy fees, government-approved redress schemes and client money protection schemes on their website and on third party websites (on which agents are listed). For properties to lease/rent in England, agents need to keep this information up to date and precise on allAgents or specify within the property description.

Complaints Procedure

No procedure set.
Last updated at 9:52 AM 25/09/2019 by heather heather

Awards won by P M Estates, Bishops Stortford CM23 3AG



Find the Best Agent to
Sell or Rent Your Home